![]() I would expect people to understand "A blue bear eating grapes is sitting on top of the Statue of Liberty", but I would also expect that nobody has actually said that in the history of the world. They're not confused, and I'm sure they know both terms." So your claim (that the "meaning of the phrase corresponding to "cunning" + "linguist"" is rare) directly opposes User:Chuck Entz's claim (that people who say cunning linguist know both terms) - so which is it? Walterblue222 ( talk) 02:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC) Reply I don't see why. In the words of User:Chuck Entz: "In this case, there are some people who say cunning linguist as a humorous way to avoid saying cunnilingus. Otherwise, I don't think I've ever seen a use better translated in Esperanto as "ruza lingvisto" instead of "piĉlekadanto".- Prosfilaes ( talk) 01:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC) Reply In all of HathiTrust's pre-1923 collection, there is but one use of the phrase "cunning linguist", Lady Perfecta, page 206, a use that apparently is literal. I claimed it about the meaning of the phrase corresponding to "cunning" + "linguist". Geographyinitiative ( talk) 00:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC) Reply I didn't claim anything about the phrase. I would never have believed it would have a page on Wiktionary- it does seem odd to me that it is being treated as a linguistic unit. Hmm, so is this phrase "commonly seen" as Geographyinitiative claims, or is it "rare", as Prosfilaes claims? Walterblue222 ( talk) 00:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC) Reply I think I remember hearing many people use this pun in comedy routines and in jokes as part of a punchline. How would we demonstrate that kind of transition? - Geographyinitiative ( talk) 21:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply A commonly-seen joke, really? So commonly seen that there are only 3 references added, the newest of which is a decade old? Walterblue222 ( talk) 22:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply I guess the strongest argument that would be made for keeping the page is that this phrase has transformed from commonly-seen joke into a true colloquialism for cunnilingus. sche (discuss) 18:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply Personally, I would tend to agree that this should not be a page- to me it's a pun, not a word or phrase proper. Walterblue222 ( talk) 21:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply In the interest of record-keeping and cross-linking I will note that this was also brought up in the Tea Room, PUC's talk and Walter's talk. To any reasonable people reading this: disregard Equinox's disrespectful remarks and false claims if you have something to add (and can voice your opinion without slinging petty insults like Equinox). Equinox ◑ 17:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply Ooo, more personal attacks. Walterblue222 ( talk) 17:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Reply Disregard the above. It is my belief that this definition be modified to include the proper definition of 'cunning linguist', instead of the improper, inapplicable sexual definition of 'cunnilingus'. The usage of "gay", which has two meanings, is significantly different than the usage of "cunning linguist", because "gay" (lighthearted and carefree) and "gay" (homosexual) are homophonous and have identical spelling and punctuation, while "cunning linguist" and "cunnilingus" are not homophonous and have different spelling and punctuation, and are made up of different letters (none of which are silent). "Gay" historically meant "lighthearted and carefree", yet modern usage of the term is primarily in reference to and synonymous of "homosexual". The improper usage of a word or phrase does not automatically modify the proper definition of said word or phrase while words can indeed change in meaning over time, this is not the case in this instance. They are not homophonous (sounding the same) or synonymous (meaning the same), and differ in spelling, punctuation, and meaning. False Information: The phrase "cunning linguist" is not equivalent to the term "cunnilingus".
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